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#13501663 Oct 28, 2017 at 12:37 AM
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Hi, got a question, a real good one, for an old friend. He's a Costume Contest veteran and host. His query:


What can you tell us about Radion (a la Blood Moon, before he was a zombie) if we want to make Radion II please?


We know the original died in the Battle of Detroit in '92, so he was probably active in the '70s/'80s? Also we know certain people take over the names/mantles from previous heroes, like all the Black Masks, then there's a Flechette II, and kinda the headcanon Vanguard II the archer I learned here. With that in mind, our other thoughts:

- where was Radion based? Like what aspiring hero would follow in Radion's footsteps?
- aside from Radiation powers, did Radion have other skills that set him apart?
- or simplest question perhaps, was Radion just an homage/expy of a Marvel/DC character we can refer to?


Thanks in advance.

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#13501698 Oct 28, 2017 at 01:12 AM
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I wanted to ask about the Bloodmoon Archer Vanguard. The bio on the guy says he's Asteroid Vanguard- but completely different costume, different powers then in the books, how does that work?
[though Amazing Graces "Radioactive Jesus Toast" bio has to be the best of the lot.] Are any of those guys in the lorebooks? Or did cryptic just make them out of whole cloth?

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#13501718 Oct 28, 2017 at 01:34 AM
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#13501698 Snookums wrote:

I wanted to ask about the Bloodmoon Archer Vanguard. The bio on the guy says he's Asteroid Vanguard- but completely different costume, different powers then in the books, how does that work?
[though Amazing Graces "Radioactive Jesus Toast" bio has to be the best of the lot.] Are any of those guys in the lorebooks? Or did cryptic just make them out of whole cloth?



The headcanon regarding Vanguard, from either Thundrax or Liaden originally and I think a lot of us just adopted it as our own because it makes more sense, is that the Bloodmoon Archer Vanguard is not the original asteroid-stopping top tier hero who originally died in the Battle of Detroit, but a more junior hero (with Archery powers) who took up his name to honour him after that. Then Archer Vanguard also died. Then presumably, when Takofanes raised dead heroes, he raised the wrong Vanguard, because he's a big picture guy and has been dead for umpteen millennia and can't tell them apart.

Tbh, if anything deserves an homage, it'd be another hero who also got superpowers from a magical toaster.

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#13501753 Oct 28, 2017 at 01:54 AM · Edited 27 days ago
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Is it a coincidence that we've been having a related discussion on the Champions Online main forums recently?

Prior to Cryptic Studios buying the Champions IP, only a few of the heroes killed during the Battle of Detroit were named, and even fewer had any sort of write-up in the source books. The most recent edition of the Champions Universe book spelled out those casualties more specifically on p. 85, almost certainly in response to Cryptic putting them into the Blood Moon event. Even then, though, few details are provided.

The only mention of Radion is on the aforementioned p. 85, where he's described as "an electricity controller created by Destroyer based on Gigaton’s DNA, but who’d turned on his creator years ago, and suffered Destroyer’s revenge for his betrayal during the battle." Gigaton is Dr. Destroyer's security chief, a product of Project Sunburst whom Destroyer liberated from the Crypt (written up in Champions Villains Vol. 1). However, it should be noted that this origin doesn't jibe with the official timeline, since Project Sunburst officially occurred in 1994, two years after the Battle of Detroit. It would be still be reasonable to treat Radion as DD's creation -- he's made other minions through cloning and gene modification. But I'm afraid the above is all the info about him in books.

Vanguard is a different matter. As far as I've been able to piece the story together from posted remarks, the CO developers for the Blood Moon were given names of the deceased heroes to be reanimated, but not any background for them; so they invented most things themselves. As I mentioned, most of these heroes hadn't been in Champions PnP, so the books ended up playing catch-up to the MMO. But Vanguard's change was the most glaring oversight to the lore-aware players. The devs asserted they'd correct that for the return of the Blood Moon, but clearly never got around to it. Which may be just as well, in a way. The undead revival of the most powerful and respected superhero who ever lived, probably should be an event in itself.
#13501759 Oct 28, 2017 at 02:00 AM · Edited 27 days ago
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#13501718 BB (CO Comics) wrote:

#13501698 Snookums wrote:

I wanted to ask about the Bloodmoon Archer Vanguard. The bio on the guy says he's Asteroid Vanguard- but completely different costume, different powers then in the books, how does that work?
[though Amazing Graces "Radioactive Jesus Toast" bio has to be the best of the lot.] Are any of those guys in the lorebooks? Or did cryptic just make them out of whole cloth?



The headcanon regarding Vanguard, from either Thundrax or Liaden originally and I think a lot of us just adopted it as our own because it makes more sense, is that the Bloodmoon Archer Vanguard is not the original asteroid-stopping top tier hero who originally died in the Battle of Detroit, but a more junior hero (with Archery powers) who took up his name to honour him after that. Then Archer Vanguard also died. Then presumably, when Takofanes raised dead heroes, he raised the wrong Vanguard, because he's a big picture guy and has been dead for umpteen millennia and can't tell them apart.

Tbh, if anything deserves an homage, it'd be another hero who also got superpowers from a magical toaster.


Our creative and helpful Scott "Thundrax" Bennie was the one who came up with that rationale. It's not at all official, but for folks who want to sync up the different versions it's reasonable enough. Nonetheless, it would have been tough for even Takofanes to resurrect the original Vanguard, as his body burned to ash on reentry into Earth's atmosphere, after he expended all his power destroying the asteroid Dr. D had set careening toward Earth.

TBH myself, that description of Amazing Grace's origin smacks of the smirking mockery of superheroes that pervades a lot of the early Champions Online content. I'm sure it's fine for many players, but it always rubbed me the wrong way. In this setting it's quite literally possible to receive powers from God, or at least the entity who claims to be God.
#13501801 Oct 28, 2017 at 02:43 AM
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Did they always have Bios? I'd never noticed them until two weeks or so ago, after all these years.



Thanks Liaden, that does make sense- have a name, fill in the blank, and no one really went deep diving books to check.

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#13501822 Oct 28, 2017 at 02:59 AM
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Although I hadn't read the bios for the Detroit hero victims myself, I've found references to them on these forums from as far back as 2009.
#13501830 Oct 28, 2017 at 03:06 AM
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Ah! ROFL! I am unobservant then, I thought they were new! Thanks again!

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#13502056 Oct 28, 2017 at 06:27 AM
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Steve Long's told me that Vanguard is a complete mess up on Cryptic's part that Cryptic hasn't bothered to fix. :(
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#13502739 Oct 28, 2017 at 04:54 PM · Edited 27 days ago
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It's extremely unlikely that Radion will ever be officially developed more than he has been, so whoever wants to take up his legacy for a PC should feel free to embellish him as needed, giving him whatever background and base of operation would work. However, I do think what we have suggests a few useful criteria. For example, another of Dr. Destroyer's cloned and engineered minions, Hammerhead, was raised in Destroyer's bases and educated by his servants. He was born and bred to serve Destroyer without hesitation or question. Assuming Radion had a similar upbringing, he must have encountered some truly dramatic event, or inspirational person, to make him give up the only life he'd ever known. As a created being he'd have no family, and no friends outside Destroyer's minions. He'd need to establish a new identity and life for himself once he left DD's service, and form new emotional bonds. Some sort of surrogate family to support him would seem a priority, possibly including a mentor figure or role model.
#13502916 Oct 28, 2017 at 09:55 PM
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Outstanding, perfect info, I got my Champs Villains Volumes and can help him fill in the blanks from that powerset, assuming Gigaton's DNA is related to that, makes a it a lot easier to work with, thanks a lot guys.

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#13502937 Oct 28, 2017 at 10:39 PM
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That's certainly a valid way to go. However, given the contradictory timeline for tying Radion to Gigaton, and that the latter's SFX aren't "electricity," you could also consider looking at the powers of electric characters, like Thunderbolt I of the Ultimates.
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