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#10440970 Dec 22, 2014 at 06:44 AM
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I'm getting up to speed on some Champions lore which isn't in the game (I've never played the PnP version), and was wondering what of any chance there is that we will ever see Hudson City as a playable map. One of my favorite things about CO is Westside and unfortunately there are no missions there after level 14, so to me adding another map with higher level content would be a lot of fun to play. Does anybody know if there are any plans at some point to add Hudson City?
#10441686 Dec 22, 2014 at 09:58 AM
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Even though Hudson City is officially a part of Champions Earth, it was intended as the main setting for a PnP campaign featuring "modern-day adventure," e.g. non-powered crime fighters, up to "street-level supers" such as Batman, Daredevil, and the Punisher. This genre is what the PnP publishers, Hero Games, called their "Dark Champions" game-book line. The settings and characters for Champions and Dark Champions practically never crossed over.

My understanding from press releases when Cryptic Studios bought the Champions IP from Hero Games, was that Hudson City was going to be developed as part of a separate Dark Champions Online game, for more realistic, grittier play than in Champions. I can't recall hearing any more development news on that front in years, and given the relatively small resources devoted to expanding Champions Online as it stands now, I'm not optimistic that DCO or HC will appear in the foreseeable future.
#10441856 Dec 22, 2014 at 10:37 AM
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Okay, I was just curious. Thanks for the info.
#10552765 Jan 20, 2015 at 02:53 PM
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Which is a shame since Hudson city is mentioned in game. :(
#13800764 Jun 23, 2018 at 09:44 PM
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(I searched for it first)

So.. Hudson City.. basically Gotham in the CU? Details welcome!
#13801223 Jun 24, 2018 at 05:04 PM · Edited 8 months ago
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Even though Hudson City is technically on Champions Earth -- and has a 176-page source book devoted to it, Hudson City: The Urban Abyss -- references to it in books written for Champions PnP are extremely rare. Because Hudson City is part of Hero Games' "Dark Champions" game line, dealing with the more realistic modern-adventure genre rather than superheroes, Hudson is treated practically as a separate continuity from the rest of the Champions Universe. Champions Online also treats them as discreet IP. Here's the largest blurb about Hudson City in PnP sources, from Champions Universe p. 89:

On the southern coast of New Jersey sits the large, bustling metropolis of Hudson City. A center of finance, industry, culture, and art, it's also widely recognized as one of the most crime-ridden and corrupt cities in the United States. Crime (both organized and disorganized) is rampant, public corruption flourishes, and innocent citizens take their lives in their hands if they go into certain neighborhoods after dark... or even in broad daylight.

Although Hudson City is home to several costumed vigilantes as well as a number of criminals who seem to possess weird "powers" that may or may not constitute superpowers (albeit very low-level ones), no powerful superhumans live there, or even visit the place. By some unspoken agreement, the criminals and crimefighters of Hudson City (as well as the nearby smaller city of Fell's Point) keep to themselves, and superhumans stay far away.

Then there's this from CU p. 37:

The superhuman, trained superhuman, and gadgeteer statistics discussed in this section do not include the vigilantes and other characters found in Dark Champions settings such as Hudson City. Despite the fact that they share the same world, the two groups do not intermingle (at least not in official Hero Games publications), and Dark Champions characters aren't considered a part of the Superhuman World.

Almost the only other (brief) references to Hudson City in Champions books are to the CU homage to the Shadow, the pulp-era mystery man known as the Raven; like this one from CU p. 10: 1926 saw the first appearance of the enigmatic Raven. Battling mobsters on the streets of Hudson City with the aid of his assistants, the lovely Velvet Phantom and the Midnight Brigade, the Raven was armed with phenomenal accuracy, fast reflexes, and a mysterious deck of tarot cards which reputedly allowed him to foresee the future. The Raven and his allies are the subject of a PDF mini-book from Hero Games, The Raven and the Midnight Brigade.

On a personal note, I must confess I don't know much about the current official incarnation of Hudson City or the Dark Champions genre book line, so would have little more info to offer. 😪

#13801240 Jun 24, 2018 at 06:04 PM
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So basically, Gotham as shown in the eponymous television series, from sound? (With Fell's Point = Bludhaven?)

I mean, 'Superman Stays Out of Gotham" is a trope, so I get the intent.
#13801446 Jun 25, 2018 at 05:02 AM
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The signature "hero" of Hudson City, and the Dark Champions RPG line, calls himself "the Harbinger of Justice"; but in the DC world he's widely known as "the Blue Moon Killer," for his black full-face mask with blue crescent shape over one eye, and his habit of leaving a black card with a blue crescent at the scene of his vigilante actions. The Harbinger is what you'd get if you crossed the Batman's level of physical and mental ability and skill, with the Punisher's mindset and methods.

The Harbinger of Justice actually used to be Steve Long's PC, and Steve kept the rights to him when he sold the rest of the DC IP to Cryptic Studios. In fact Steve used to play the Harbinger sometimes in Champions Online. He's never revealed Harbie's true identity or origin, even in the Dark Champions books.
#13801596 Jun 25, 2018 at 09:26 AM
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There's something to be said, for keeping such matters mysterious!
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